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CSMatt
Isn't NTFS patented by Microsoft? Isn't this a patent infringement?
tisi
hey guys,

works fine here, but also i got the 0k error and have to killall Finder. But now my Diskutility and Spotlight stopped working. Any ideas?
XanthraX
How to solve the "Zero b" bug? Simply. Push the "Option" key (Windows flag in PC keyboards) and right click Finder icon in Dock and than click "Relaunch"
atomizasser
I cannot write in NTFS partition. I have followed this guide but i cannot write, only read. I can view all files and mount with ntfs-3g, but when i try to write something appears error -36.
Any1 can help me?
Thanks!
cyclonefr
the relaunch of the finder sux
wmarsh
QUOTE(CSMatt @ Jan 30 2007, 12:57 PM) *
Isn't NTFS patented by Microsoft? Isn't this a patent infringement?


Fuse is a reverse engineered freeware now ported from Linux.
Reverse engineering is not copyright infringement, although I am certain some people would want it to be.

Reverse engineering is what gave us AMD cpus, for instance.

In Linux, Fuse can do some really neat things. Like mounting your gmail as a file system. Its not just for NTFS.
trexplorer
Great stuff ... A few comments:

1) Works although fussy when upgrading (need to uninstall and reinstall udpates in sequence).
2) Often need to force install of driver in terminal (otherwise shows "zero k" storage, etc...)
3) Causes slow boot to GUI and slow shut down from same.
4) Files larger than 4 GB copy fine.
5) Copy speed is approx half or a third of normal speeds (sometimes things get messed up and it runs even slower)
6) Many apps consistently "lock up" (Activity Monitor, Transmission, Finder, Quicktime), requiring "Force Quit" or restart
7) OS X runs slower, less reponsive
8) OS X 10.4.8 becomes generally unstable on my Intel Hacintosh and my Intel iMac

Good start, but I'll wait until the drivers get a little better (can't afford to trash my installs).

Cheers ...

Core 2 Duo E6300 1.86 Ghz overclocked to 3.3 Ghz on ASUS P5B Deluxe and Nvidia 6600 w Natit/Titan (all res and accel working) ... crazy fast
iMac Core Duo 20 inch 2 Ghz
CSMatt
QUOTE(wmarsh @ Jan 31 2007, 03:58 PM) *
Fuse is a reverse engineered freeware now ported from Linux.
Reverse engineering is not copyright infringement, although I am certain some people would want it to be.

Reverse engineering is what gave us AMD cpus, for instance.

In Linux, Fuse can do some really neat things. Like mounting your gmail as a file system. Its not just for NTFS.

Software patents are different from software copyrights. You don't "reverse engineer" something that's patented. Software patents are about methods, that's why they all start with "A method in which..." No matter how the code is written, even if it is completely original, it can still constitute a patent infringement. The only exception, other than explicit permission, is if the patent holder gives out a non-exclusive royalty-free license for everybody to use it, like Adobe did with its PDF format.
CSMatt
QUOTE(elromeo @ Jan 17 2007, 12:08 AM) *
hey this dissapear my HD from the screen what happen

What's that icon next to iTunes in the Dock for that looks like an old iTunes icon?
Zodiac
QUOTE(atomizasser @ Jan 31 2007, 10:44 PM) *
I cannot write in NTFS partition. I have followed this guide but i cannot write, only read. I can view all files and mount with ntfs-3g, but when i try to write something appears error -36.
Any1 can help me?
Thanks!

here's the solution for -36 error >> this problem caused by XP your NTFS partitions in auto-check so you need to boot XP to finish the auto-check "may be u need to boot XP twice" then every thing gonna work fine..
cyclonefr
no new fix for 0kb size bug?
homer007
QUOTE(cyclonefr @ Feb 3 2007, 06:19 PM) *
no new fix for 0kb size bug?


no m8 there will be soon!!
gsbhullar
Hi Homer007,
I tried your latest MacFuse Core yesterday and it works like a dream. Thank you for this beautiful piece of very very useful software. Now I can delete any files on Windows (NTFS) partition. Absolutely no errors as far as my requirements go.
"Balle Balle, Chak teh Fatteh, Shahbash"

Bhullar (Ferozpur)
XanthraX
QUOTE(cyclonefr @ Jan 31 2007, 08:49 PM) *
the relaunch of the finder sux

Agree with you. Sux, but is the single method I know that works. Sometimes I need to restart the finder severally, to have proper icons (network drive) to all my 3 win partitions (not folder icon).
Alucard!
Thank you for this wonderful post! I had before this thread always keep 1 fat 32 partition in order to transfer files from windows onto my macintosh. Now I can do it directly!
Every day I get more and more reasons to stay on mac.....


Tnx again!
pgiom
I installed ntfs full updated by homer007, but after restart I cannot see my hd in finder or on my desktop...
utility disk can see ntfs hd (gray) but when I click mount, nothing happens...

have I to edit something to get my ntfs hd mounted at boot?
if so, how? have I to follow all steps in homer007 guide?

thanks

Sovled
ok. I found the solution (simple!). the uninstaller deleted all macfuse previous installed.
Now it's working. here is what I've done:


1. ran uninstaller (homer007 post)

2. macfuse - Core 0.1.9 installation

3. reboot (required)

4. installed homer007 updated files (macfuse tools then ntfs..)

5. rebooted

6. now ntfs windows disk is writable



p.s. but with the "no space available" bug... solved every time relaunching finder...

0kb solution will be very appreciated.

thanx
cyclonefr
i was wondering about a killall finders in etc/rc but it is only a workaround....i think this bug comes from the Delay between the disk is mounted and the ntfs driver is loaded. Must be fixed by the NTFSCore coder
Sander Spilleman
Hey guys,

I have the following issue:

Everything related to ntfs-3g is working flawlessly (created a script to mount read/write) so that's great BUT:

- If I connect my external USB hardrive, it doesn't automount readonly anymore.

Where do I look to get this fixed as most of the time, I prefer fast access?????

Thanks!

Sander
equilibriumuk
I am getting the ntfs-3g didn't act on SIGTERM on shutdown sad.gif makes shutdown take longer.
Is there a way of making it close on shutdown? (killall ntfs-3g shutdown script?)
alicheusz
QUOTE(equilibriumuk @ Feb 6 2007, 06:42 PM) *
I am getting the ntfs-3g didn't act on SIGTERM on shutdown sad.gif makes shutdown take longer.
Is there a way of making it close on shutdown? (killall ntfs-3g shutdown script?)

It's rather not good idea. This can corrupt your NTFS drive.
elromeo
do u know if i could of have unmounted my hd because now it dont wnat to show neither in osx or windows?
xtraa
Hi,

thanks for the guide, but there are a few things missing. So the guide needs an update before more users get lost.

First off, all links ar DOWN.

//and I am dumb biggrin.gif forgot to copypaste my links and now I can't find them anymore.

Second, ntfs-3g does not install. A hint to fix this with pacifist would be nice smile.gif

Third is

QUOTE
add,

LABEL=NTFSxxx /private/mnt/NTFSxxx ntfs ro,noauto (replace NTFSxxx with real volume name)


now thats where I am stucked. What exactly does (replace NTFSxxx with real volume name) means?

// Ok, found out it. It is

LABEL="Your Volume Name" /private/mnt/"Your Volume Name" ntfs ro,noauto

You have to set it in quotes if you have a Disk name seperated with spaces like "Windows Drive". You can
screw them, if you have chosen an name without spaces like for example: WindowsDrive.

Thanks in advance for an update smile.gif
thunder.scripts
One question: is this method slower than using a FAT32 partition with OS X default drivers?
It took about an hour to copy a 6gb dmg from one disk (HFS+, SATA) to another physical disk (NTFS, SATA2).
I'm using 10.4.8, DFI Lanparty Ultra D with the sata driver I found in this forum.
thunder.scripts
Do special characters work with this driver?
I'm having trouble with accented letters, I can see them in Windows, but in OS X filenames appear truncated sad.gif

EDIT: I did some testing, and if I create a file using special characters in Mac OS X, those characters aren't seen in Win. It is as if they were using different encodings or something.

EDIT2: Sorry, found it in a previous post:

echo 'es_ES' > /Volumes/MyNTFSDrive/.ntfs-locale
tisi
hey, a new macfuse version is out. anyone noticed differences? Issues solved?
Zodiac
QUOTE(tisi @ Feb 13 2007, 12:17 PM) *
hey, a new macfuse version is out. anyone noticed differences? Issues solved?

yeah i tried it and i its not working and sys wont boot.
elromeo
hey guys i try instal,,ling macfuse and everything but what it did was dissapeer my hd now i cant see it on osx neither windos what wou,ld be the prob,lem?
thunder.scripts
Sorry to sound repetitive, but is it me or is this driver a bit slow?
Is there a way to speed things up or do some testing? XBench won't let me test MacFuse partitions sad.gif
cyclonefr
new core available = version 0.21 = fixes the 0 kb size prob at startup smile.gif
still slow to restart but good thing smile.gif
B612
QUOTE(cyclonefr @ Feb 16 2007, 09:20 AM) *
new core available = version 0.21 = fixes the 0 kb size prob at startup smile.gif
still slow to restart but good thing smile.gif


Oh, yeah! thumbsup_anim.gif
thunder.scripts
How can I update to the new version? is it safe?
Sabr
Well, my Vista partition got most of its stuff wiped (winload.exe corrupt... And there are only a few folders on the partition now, yet it still says 40GB is being used??? Gonna have to reinstall at a later date). I presume it's because of this, however, I'm not 100% sure...

What's weird is that I can eject my XP partition but my Vista partition now shows up as a proper HDD (meaning I can't eject it). Weird...
thunder.scripts
Whenever OS X started mounting drives using the included NTFS driver (and of course wouldn't let me unmount them) it was because Win XP had scheduled an automatic chkdsk.

Try booting windows (it will boot, execute chkdsk and reboot win again) and boot mac os x after that.
joe75
Enable or Disable Scandisk/Chkdsk on system reboot

If you disable the automatic execution of Scandisk (Win98, ME) or Chkdsk (Win2K, XP), you should run it manually about every two weeks to maintain the integrity of your PC's file system.
Windows XP

Start > Run > chkntfs /x <drive> [drive] [drive]
For example, if you want to disable Chkdsk from running on drive C: chkntfs /x c:

Chkntfs works by modifying the BootExcecute value in the Registry.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CURRENTCONTROLSET\
CONTROL\Session Manager
The default value is BootExecute:REG_MULTI_SZ:autocheck autochk *

Chkdsk /f /r is unaffected by chkntfs and can be run to check volumes manually on the next system reboot.
walterav
Hi anyone already made a new ntfs3g package for the 0.21macFUSE core?

And is there already a compiled version of fuseFTP?
ez12a
For those who have the 0k problem...have you tried unmounting, and then remounting the drive?

Worked for me when an external drive appeared 0k.

In the end I uninstalled MacFuse due to the super slow shut down times...I dont expect to see the spinning circle when i shut down.

I now use an external hard drive as a liason between the two OSes (3 partitions, 70GB for HFS, 70GB for NTFS, 10 GB for FAT32 [only to be used for transfer of files from one OS to another])
...I bet i can transfer a 4gb file faster copying the file to my hard drive first and restarting into Windows much faster than one with MacFUSE and NTFS-3g.
ksec
I use the echo command but it doesn't work. ( For locale settings )

And then i try the mount option as well and not working either.

I am using a Externall USB harddrive. Any pointers? 90% of my files cant be read due to locale settings.
thunder.scripts
The locale thing worked for me BUT I had to rename the files with special characters.
Suppose you have a file recolección, I had to rename it to 'recoleccion' and back to 'recolección'. It would then work.
BugsB
NTFS - 3G 20070207.dmg - compiled binary, ready 2 b installed smile.gif
cyclonefr
bugsbunny then u only need the CORE 0.21 right? no need for mactools?
why dont u compile one with the 3 files smile.gif thanx!
thunder.scripts
Great!
Can it be installed on top of the previous version?
BugsB
@ cyclonefr: bon soir monsieur smile.gif. Wasn't me who compiled. 1: Core, reboot; 2: tools 3: NTFS

@ thunder.scripts: dunno, was the 1st 1 I installed. U might want 2 read the instructions over there wink.gif
RobNyc
so whats better the MacFuse or NTFS-3g?
thunder.scripts
Well, I'm no expert but I think that MacFuse is the Core on top of which NTFS-3g works. You need both.
Takuro
Dumb question: it's normal that the windows HD is mounted as a server, right? It was a little caught off guard that it didn't detect it as a physical hard drive.
thunder.scripts
Yeah, that's the way MacFuse works.
You can always change the icon if that makes you feel better though tongue.gif
thunder.scripts
Ok, suddenly I started getting LOTS of kernel panics when trying to copy about 200mb in video files.
What did I do?

1. Defragment the NTFS partition in Win XP
2. Upgraded MacFuse Core to 0.2.1 (DMG from http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/)
3. Reboot
4. Re installed MacFuse Tools (I did this because when I rebooted I had to manually mount my ntfs partition, I don't know if you MUST reinstall macfuse tools)
5. Upgraded NTFS-3G (DMG from http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php...670#post443670)
6. Reboot

And it worked, I could finally copy those files. Now, I don't know if what I did is right or makes any sense. I'm just telling what SEEMS to have worked for me.

Good Luck!
Fede
cyclonefr
RC1 of NTFS 3G is out, can some compile it to a new NTFS3G.pkg? http://www.ntfs-3g.org/
veggieryan
is there any way to mount a dmg image of an NTFS disk?
i need to restore this image. it was a backup made with copycatx.
I am able to mount other ntfs drives with no problems.

when I try to mount it i get this error:
CODE
john-smiths-computer:~ johnsmith$ sudo /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g /Users/johnsmith/Documents/"windows xp backup.dmg" /Volumes/windowsxp -o ping_diskarb,volname="windowsxp"
Bootsector checksum failed.
Failed to startup volume: Invalid argument
Failed to mount '/Users/johnsmith/Documents/windows xp backup.dmg': Invalid argument
The device '/Users/johnsmith/Documents/windows xp backup.dmg' doesn't have a valid NTFS.
Maybe you selected the wrong device? Or the whole disk instead of a
partition (e.g. /dev/hda, not /dev/hda1)? Or the other way around?
john-smiths-computer:~ johnsmith$ mount ?
mount: ?: unknown special file or file system.
john-smiths-computer:~ johnsmith$
BebopBlues
After going through the install instructions using the latest files, I can now write to the NTFS drives. The weird thing is I only did to one partition, yet all other NTFS partitions are can be written too also.

But all is not well, after the first initial reboot, I could open Disk Utilities, but after another reboot, now Disk Utils just crashes the Finder (color wheel of death). Is there a fix for this?
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